suspicion." This ends the quotation; but further The Argyllshire legend of Bruce and the spider Glasgow. But it is in connexion with Canning that record of the present variant is first to be found-at least, so far as investigation has yet penetrated, for the cry of the "wise woman out of the city, Hear, hear," mentioned in 2 Samuel xx. 16, though it furnished the occasion of a question to the readers of N. & Q. by the late LORD LYTTELTON, is scarcely in point in this relation. Canning, in his 'New Morality,' which appeared in 1798, had the lines, JOHN HART (8th S. x. 436).—On 9 May, 1721, E'en C-w-n dropt a sentimental tear, And stout St. A-dr-w yelp'd a softer "Hear!" the king nominated him Governor of the Leeward Islands, and he arrived at his seat of government but a forward step was made in an apparently on 19 December following. He was at continual authorized report of his speech of 10 April, 1805, variance with the House of Assembly of Antigua upon the proposed impeachment of Lord Melville as to his salary, and at one time removed his (embodied in Leman Thomas Rede's 'Memoir of family to the neighbouring island of St. Kitts. the Right Hon. George Canning,' published in In 1725 various petitions were presented against 1827), which includes among the interjections, "A him, and he was replaced by the Earl of London- cry of hear! hear!" with the quaint addition, two derry, sailing for England on 14 June, 1727. lines further on, "Still a loud cry of hear!" V. L. OLIVER. (p. 152.) Sunninghill. "HEAR, HEAR!" (4th S. ix. 200, 229, 285; 6th S. xii. 346; 8th S. iv. 447; v. 34.)—A striking description of parliamentary applause, which bears upon the genesis of this phrase, is to be found in John, Earl Russell's 'Life and Times of Charles James Fox' (vol. iii. p. 285). An account is there given of Pitt's famous speech of 23 May, 1803, upon the renewed outbreak of war with France; and in a letter of Lord Dudley (then Mr. Ward) to the Rev. Edward Copleston (afterwards Bishop of Llandaff), it is said: "When he [Pitt] rose, there was first a violent and almost universal cry of: Mr. Pitt! Mr. Pitt! He was then cheered before he had uttered a syllable-a mark of approbation which was repeated at almost all the brilliant passages and remarkable sentiments; and when he sat down, there followed one of the longest, most eager, and most enthusiastic bursts of applause I ever heard in any place on any occasion. As far as I observed, however, it was confined to the parliamentary 'Hear him! Hear him!' but it is possible the exclamations in the body of the House might have hindered me from bearing the clapping of hands in the Gallery." "The parliamentary 'Hear him! Hear him!'" thus to be noted in 1803, is of just the same period as that which was mentioned in Canning's Anacreontic' on Addington : When his speeches hobble vilely, What "Hear him's " burst from Brother Hiley. And it is again to be found a score of years later, when Byron published the thirteenth canto of 'Don Juan,' in the ninety-first stanza of which the maker of a maiden speech is declared to be Proud of his. Hear hims!" I find also in Mr. T. E. Kebbel's 'Selected Speeches of the late Right Honourable the Earl of Beaconsfield' an address of Benjamin Disraeli, delivered at High Wycombe on 16 Dec., 1834, which shows that Canning may further be considered the indirect cause of the introduction of it was in the course of satirizing the quondam Can"Hear, hear," into our list of popular cries, for ningites who had turned Reformers that Disraeli referred to "the Right Hon. Mr. Ellice, who was so good as to send us down a member, crying Hear, hear!"" (vol. i. p. 16.) It was not long after this that Dickens used "Hear, hear!" in his description of the charity dinner in 'Sketches by Boz,' and the phrase is now part of our colloquial tongue. While upon the subject, I would ask what are the foreign equivalents of "Hear, hear!" as a mode of parliamentary applause. It is declared not to be known in the United States Congress, while "Très bien " may be regarded as the French form. Are there others? - ALFRED F. ROBBINS. THOMAS GUILFORD KILLIGREW (8th S. x. 135). An elaborate pedigree of the Killigrew family is given in the Visitation of Cornwall,' edited by Lieut.-Col. J. L. Vivian, 1887, p. 270. Charles Killigrew, of Somerset House and Thornham Hall, co. Suffolk, born 29 Dec., 1655, buried 8 Jan., 1725, married Jemima (surname not givenBokenham (3)-probably of Thornham, co. Suffolk); she survived her husband, is named in his will, and was buried at Thornham. The issue of this marriage were two sons. Guilford, a lieutenant in Lord Mark's regiment of Dragoons, died without (legitimate) issue; will proved 23 July, 1751; left his property in trust for Guilford Boyes, living under his protection, who was baptized 22 Sept., 1730, at Allerton, in Yorkshire, as daughter of OLD THEATRE IN TOTTENHAM COURT ROAD (8th S. x. 495).—As a mere guess, I suggest that Foote's mention of "these gentlemen, public performers ......in Tottenham Court Road," makes reference to George Whitefield, whose tabernacle was there. Beyond question there is a sneer in the words. The histrionic exaggeration of Whitefield's style is thus spoken of by Johnson : "Whitefield never drew as much attention. As a mountebank does, he did not draw attention by doing better than others, but doing what was strange. Were Astley to preach a sermon standing upon his head on a horse's back he would collect a multitude to hear him; but no wise man would say he had made a better sermon for that." (In Boswell, at, seventy.) C. B. MOUNT. Foote's remarks refer not to a theatre, but to George Whitefield's chapel in Tottenham Court Road. See Mr. Tyerman's 'Life of Whitefield.' EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. Hastings. Street, rooms were Doubtless this was in Tottenham Tottenham Court Road. The originally built by Francis Pasquail, and obtained the name of the "King's Concert Rooms." They were appropriated for the "Concerts of Ancient Music," patronized by King George III. and Queen Charlotte; but being too small for the subscribing nobility and gentry, the concerts were first transferred to the King's Theatre, Haymarket, and eventually to the concert rooms in Hanover Square. In 1810 the rooms were converted into a theatre, which for some years was known as "The Theatre of Variety." It subsequently bore the names of the Tottenham Street, Regency, Royal West London, Royal Fitzroy, or Queen's Theatre. 71, Brecknock Road. EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. ROBIN ADAIR' (8th S. x. 196, 242, 304, 426). -The memoirs of Sir Robert Adair in the Gentleman's Magazine, 1855, new series, xliv. 535, and in the 'Dict. Nat. Biog.' say nothing about his descent, but in the latter there is a trifling error, which may be worth correction. It is stated that Adair was created a K.C.B. in 1809. In that year there was only one class of the Order of the Bath, and Adair was created a K.B. By a notification in the London Gazette, January 2, 1815, the order was extended, and divided into the three classes which now exist, viz., G.C.B., K.C.B., and C.B. All the former knights became thereupon G.C.B.s., and amongst these, of course, was Adair, who was never, therefore, a K.C.B. At the date of his death, October 3, 1855, at the age of ninetytwo, he was the senior knight of the order. W. F. PRIDEAUX. Kingsland, Shrewsbury. BUTLER COLE (8th S. x. 495).-Thomas Butler, of Kirkland Hall, in the parish of Garstang, Lancashire, was born in 1695, and married the daughter of Edmund Cole, of Cole, his son Alexander, of Kirkland and Cole, in 1811 devised his estates to his great-nephew, Thomas Butler, whose only son, Thomas, took the surname of Cole in addition to his own, by letters patent dated December 16, 1817. He died in 1864. I have never been able to trace any connexion between the author of Hudibras' and this family. For details concerning Butlers of Kirkland Hall see the 'History of Garstang' (Chetham Society, vols. civ. and cv.). HENRY FISHWICK. WAVE NAMES (8th S. x. 432).-Your correspondent says that the notes he gives under this heading "were culled from the Family Herald a few years ago; I cannot give the exact date." I should much like to know that date. It is a curious coincidence that the whole of the remainder of MR. HALE's note agrees almost verbatim with part of a "turnover" on "waves," written by myself in the Globe of 17 March, 1896, less than a year ago. I am not a reader of the Family Herald, and know nothing of anything that it may have contained on this subject. My authorities for the names and statements which MR. HALE gives, without any quotation marks, from my article, were the Folk-lore Journal (Folk-lore Society, 1885), vol. iii. p. 306, and Edward FitzGerald's 'Sea Words and Phrases along the Suffolk Coast,' printed in the East Anglian, 1869, vol. iii. pp. 347-358. The Lincolnshire statement had no book authority. G. L. APPERSON. "AS PLAIN AS A PIKE-STAFF" (8th S. ix. 346; x. 141).-MR. H. CHICHESTER HART writes that 'it was a droll idea to suggest that this phrase was due to a writer in 1691.' So far as I know, no one has suggested any such thing. I stated that Byrom was born in 1691, and then showed that the expression was much earlier than Byrom's birth. The idea that Byrom was a writer in 1691 is too ludicrous. MR. HART gives as a reference for the use of the expression, Merry Drollery,' reprint by Ebsworth, p. 228, 1661. This date must be a mistake, as the reprint, according to my copy, is of the 1691 edition. Mr. Ebsworth, however, in his appendix, remarks that the text referred to agrees virtually with 'Anecdote against Melancholy,' 1661, pp. 11. Now the passage to which MR. HART refers is almost identical with the earlier version quoted by me from 'Wit Restor'd,' 1658. He refers, moreover, to Dekker's Witch of Ed. monton,' apparently for the use of "pack-staff." My copy of the play is in J. Pearson's reprint of Dekker's Works,' vol. iv., 1873, in which the reading is "pike-staff": Sawy, I understand thee not. Be plain, my son. Y. Bank. As a Pike-staff, Mother: you know Kate Carter.-P. 372. A note on p. 447 states that the play appears to have been brought on the stage in 1623. MR. HART's date is 1621. The play was not published till 1658. Inaccuracy in 'N. & Q.' valde deflendum est. This must be my excuse for the above remarks. F. C. BIRKBECK TERRY. The passage in Marston's 'Scourge of Villanie alluded to at the second reference runs thus :Faire age! When 'tis a high and hard thing t' have repute Of a compleat villaine, perfect, absolute; And roguing vertue brings a man defame, A packstaffe epethite, and scorned name. It can hardly be said that the proverb is quoted here, though it may be referred to. It is worth noting that in the "Mermaid" edition of Middleton's Witch of Edmonton' the word is printed "pike-staff," C. C. B. AUTHOR WANTED (8th S. x. 436, 504).-An anonymous Greek version of "Twinkle, twinkle, little star" is printed in 'N. & Q.,' 3rd S. vi. 482. On the Latin version, consult 6th S. iii. 45, 177. W. C. B. POSITION OF COMMUNION TABLE (8th S. ix. 308, 376; x, 226, 259, 325, 499).—In the apse of the College Church here, the communion table stands close to the east wall, It is vested with a crimson ante-pendium. In St. Mary's (Established Church) the table stands under the pulpit. In the parish church of St. Nicholas, Aberdeen (the east church), there is one, likewise vested, under the pulpit, and another in Drum's Aisle of same church, which is used for the daily weekday services. St. Andrews, N.B. GEORGE ANGUS. As your correspondent C. W. W. ends with a query, addressed apparently to me, I venture to aply that a faculty to confirm an arrangement made in accordance with a clergyman's interpretation of an option given by an Act of Parliament not the same as a faculty to give authority to that Act. The Ornaments Rubric is enforced by the Act of Uniformity; but money has been squandered, and priests have been put in gaol, as the result of private interpretations. Faculties are needed for many structural changes in churches, which when done are quite lawful, but which without a previous faculty are not lawful and may have to be undone, EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. A slight mound, now rased, in the Castle Green at GIBBET HILL (8th S. ix. 388, 432; x. 244).— Launceston, upon which the scaffold was erected in the days when this was an assize town, was known as Gallows Hill; and the name was also given (and is still used) to a portion of St. Stephen's certain of the condemned prisoners used to be taken Down, about two miles from the town, whither in a cart, with ropes around their necks, for execution. DUNHEVED. There is a Gibbet Hill, near Hindhead, where three tramps murdered a sailor, 24 September, 1786, under circumstances which must be fresh in the minds of novel readers through Mr. BaringGould's powerful story The Broom-Squire.' EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M. A. Hastings, THE "PARSON'S NOSE" (8th S. x. 496).-In 'Noctes Ambrosianæ,' vol. ii. p. 320, edited 1855, this is called the Bishop.' North, and Tickler are supposed to be discussing The Shepherd, a very fine goose, when Tickler the apron off the Bishop,' North; but you "Cut must have a longer spoon to get into the interior." From Blackwood's Magazine, December, 1829. says, WM. GRAHAM F. PIGOTT. The "Pope's nose" is almost, or quite, as common as the other phrase, I should say. There is a witty but dirty story of an Irishman and the "Pope's nose" which is good evidence of this. C. C. B. The 'Slang Dictionary' says: "Pope's nose, the extremity of the rump of a roast fowl, sometimes devilled, as a dainty, for epicures, also known as the Parson's nose." EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. 71, Brecknock Road. MORAVIA: STIRLING: LINDSAY (8th S. x. 295). -The books I have at hand on these families state there were several persons and families of the name of Striveling, or Stirling, and that the information concerning them is so meagre that their relationship cannot be definitely ascertained. Walter de Striveling (circa 1153) left two sons; his eldest, Robert (1170-1200), had two sons, of whom the eldest, Sir Alexander, who was knighted by King Alexander II., married in 1234 a daughter of Sir Firskin de Kerdal, and by her had three sons: (1) Sir John, his heir; (2) Sir Alexander, progenitor of the Stirlings of Calder; (3) William (circa 1292), who is thought to be the forefather of the Stirlings of Glenesk. Sir John Stirling, of Glenesk, probably his grandson, left an only daughter Catherine, who married (date of settlement 1365) Sir Alexander Lindsay, whose SOD, Sir David of Glenesk, was created Earl of Crawford. If J. D. had given his authority for supposing there was any connexion between the families of Moravia and Stirling it might have been easier to follow up the relationship. Freskin (1124) is the name of the first-mentioned personage of the family of Moravia. Perhaps J. D. has, through the similarity in the name of the above-mentioned Firskin de Kerdal, thought they were one and the same person. JOHN RADCLIFFE. have changed an original B into Sh, dead against the law which COL. PRIDEAUX thinks he has discovered. MR. SAMPSON is not so easily disposed of. As his differences from me are more matters of opinion than of fact, I will take them in order. 1. He says Shelta is not a "dialect." I have no time to split straws, so will cede this delicate point. 2. He says Shelta is not a variety of English slang. But in his article in Chambers he himself alludes to it as one of the varieties of English cant. "Shelta contributes largely to other English cants" are his exact words. If slang and cant are not the same, this is surely splitting straws again. 3. "Mizzard, slam, dan, reener, are not Shelta." The truth is, that there is Shelta and Shelta. MR. SAMPSON appears to confine the term to "deep" Shelta, which, like "deep" Romany, has no admixture of English. But mizzard, slam, dan, reener, have undergone a change peculiarly Shelta, and are used by the classes that speak Shelta. 4. MR. SAMPSON has not the grace to admit that I am right about grawney being Shelta, but goes out of his way to call it an "English corruption" of Shelta granya. The fact is, Shelta being an unwritten tongue, orthography is a matter of individual ear. The scientific spelling of this word would be graina, after Irish faine (or fainne), so that grawney and granya are alike phonetic. To quarrel about their respective merits would be like the cockney tourists, who could not agree whether to write Boolong or Booloin. Leland writes many Shelta words differently from MR. SAMPSON. Are these all "English corruptions"? JAS. PLATT, Jun. If it is really a fact that Irish is the basis of Shelta, this surely gives some solidity to a suspicion which I, for one, have long entertained, namely, that our Gipsies are the nomadic remnant of a Celtic people. Is this supposition too manifestly wrong to be entertained? JOHN HOBSON MATTHEWS. Town Hall, Cardiff, "PAUL'S PURCHASE" (8th S. x. 355, 401, 481). 1. The conversion of gizzard into mizzard he calls rhyming slang; but although in a way every word which differs from another only in the initial may be said to be rhyming slang, that is not the correct use of the term. Rhyming slang should be a system of phrases (not words), and more often-This coin is mentioned in Medwin's Conversathan not the last or rhyming word is omitted, and the first, or non-rhyming, part of the phrase employed alone. "A pair of turtles on his martins," meaning a pair of turtle-doves (gloves) on his St. Martin's-le-Grands (hands), is an example from Farmer and Henley. 2. He has evolved an imaginary principle by mixing together two pages of the Journal of the Gipsy-lore Society which refer to entirely different things. MR. SAMPSON's list of sounds interchangeable in Shelta is a guide to pronunciation. Prof. Meyer's third process is a guide to derivation. The name Shelta itself is admitted on all hands to tions of Lord Byron' (at p. 126 of "a new edition," London, Colburn, 1824). The passage, being short and seasonable, may be worth quoting : "[Lord Byron's] dinner, when alone, cost five Pauls; and thinking he was overcharged, he gave his bills to a lady of my acquaintance to examine. At a Christmasday dinner he had ordered a plum-pudding à l'Anglaise. Somebody afterwards told him it was not good. 'Not good!' said he: 'why, it ought to be good; it cost fifteen Pauls.' About 28. for a nobleman's dinner sounds frugal, and an allowance of 6s. 3d. to defray the cost of the pudding at his Christmas party is suggestive, to the initiated, of something but slightly superior to the "plum-duff" of schoolboy days. Taken by itself, this trait could have almost been read as a sign that Mrs. Williams's prophecy as to Byron's dying a miser might ultimately come true. But the dinner took place at Pisa, and the failure of the pudding may well be set down to the foreign Cook's inexperience. Byron, if abstemious in food himself, feasted his friends right royally on his fixed days, when, as our author observes, every sort of wine, every luxury of the season and English delicacy, were displayed." "I never knew any man [adds Medwin] do the honours of his house with greater kindness and hospitality." 66 On p. 335 Medwin says of the poet: "Miserly in trifles-about to lavish his whole fortune on the Greeks," &c.; and yet again, on p. 304: "Lord Byron was the best of masters," &c. ; and, "I remember one day, as we were entering the hall after our ride, meeting a little boy, of three or four years old, of the coachman's, whom he took up in his arms and presented with a ten-paul piece." A fair set off against the fifteen-paul pudding story. H. E. MORGAN. St. Petersburg. JOHN LOGAN (8th S. x. 495).-He may have been buried in St. James's Burial-ground in the Hampstead Road. T. N. repre of BIBLICAL SENTENCES IN ENGLISH LITURGY (8th S. I. 515).-Bishop Westcott, in his 'English Bible,' points out the various translations sented in the Prayer Book. The offertory sentences and "comfortable words" are probably Cranmer's ewn translation from the Latin. The evangelical canticles display "the same independence versions. The Psalms are revised from the Great Bible. At the Savoy Conference the Puritans demanded the exclusive use of the Authorized Version, and the bishops conceded the Epistles and Gospels, but the other parts remained as before. See also Procter's Prayer Book' and Mombert's English Versions.' Hastings. EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. LANDGUARD FORT, SUFFOLK (8th S. x. 515).—I know nothing of the history of the fort, but I can give a date or two of some of the governors and another name. 1626. Henry Rich, first Earl of Holland, second son of the first Earl of Warwick; a Royalist; beheaded as such, 9 March, 1649; married Isabel Cope, and had descendants, who succeeded to the arldom of Warwick and expired in 1759. 1661. Robert Rich, third Earl of Warwick. There is some mistake here, for Robert, third earl, died in 1659, and the earl of 1661, his brother, was amed Charles. 1749. Capt. Philip Thicknesse, who married Mary, daughter of James, sixth Earl of Castle haven, and had George, who in 1777 succeeded his uncle as Lord Audley, which title fell into abeyance in 1872 between his two great-granddaughters. Capt. Thicknesse died in 1792, leaving by will his right hand to be cut off and sent to his son Lord Audley, that since he had forgotten his duty to his father, it might remind him of his duty towards God. Whether the executors carried out this bequest I know not. C. F. S. WARREN, M.A. Longford, Coventry. In 'Excursions through Suffolk' (1819), vol. ii. p. 34, it is stated that fort. The erection of the former is supposed to have "the old fort......stood a little to the north of the present taken place in the beginning of the reign of Charles I. .....The old fort being demolished, the present rose in the room of it in 1718." According to Chamberlayne's 'Magnæ Britanniæ Notitia' for 1710, Lieut.-Col. Edward Jones was the governor, Capt. Francis Hammond the lieutenant-governor, and Edward Rust the captain. A master gunner and six other gunners were included in the establishment. G. F. R. B. A portrait of Henry Rich, Earl of Holland, is engraved in Pepys's 'Diary' (Bohn's edition), vol. i., after Vandyke, EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. Hastings. OAK BOUGHS (8th S. x. 75, 385, 486). -In the paragraph from Old English Customs, by P. H. Ditchfield, is the oddest jumble of mistakes: of Charles II. at the battle of Dettingen, and stood "Another stated that the regiment saved the life round the tree in which the king was hidden." It was George II. who fought at Dettingen, and Charles II. who was hidden in the tree, and most certainly he was not guarded by any regiment whatever, his only protectors being Capt. Careless and Penderell. CHARLOTTE G. BOGER. Chart Sutton, Kent. COWDRAY: DE CAUDREY (8th S. x. 235, 485). -I thank correspondents for interesting_information regarding the origin of Cowdray. Since my query appeared I have discovered a connexion between the De Coudrys and the town of Caen. "In a bull of Innocent III. to the Hôtel Dieu in Comitis de Harcort, Rogier de Mandeville, and that town the following names occur: Wuillelmi Wadum de Coudreie, A.D. 1210." I think it probable these Norman de Coudrées were connected with the De Mandevilles as well as De Bohuns. Coudrays, hence the name. Cowdray in Sussex may have been held by the De T. W. C. This name is common in Surrey and Sussex. Cowderay is one variant. Is it possible that the cloth was named from its inventor? Caudrey is not greatly different from corduroy. In Westmor |